God just doesn't give a Damn!!

[mona]

Since you want an argument, tell me why most the ancient civilizations say there is a GOD? There is even an egyptian account of the story of the Pharaoh's struggle with the God of the bible over the israelites. Most ancient peoples talk about a God. There is a GOD. millions of people cant all be wrong.

[Mark]

You two are single handedly keeping this forum alive

By the way, where the heck is Arun anyway? I don't see any post from him in years.

[samboy]

Again, I don't care if you believe in God or Satan or the fairy godmother. Whatever fantasies you may have, that's all yours. But if you make a claim to the public that sounds too extraordinary, especially without adequate evidence, then you should expect someone eventually to say "well, ok, I don't see a good reason to accept your claim, and here's why". Fact is you are trying to convince people of the truth of your faith. If you didn't do it here initially, you certainly did in one of the other threads you've posted in.

So this is how it goes. You make an extraordinary claim, I read it, and I respond accordingly. Why? Because that's how my brain works. I can't resist not responding to important yet unsupported claims.

You ask why so many people from history past believed in God, and I say that's a little misleading because most people in the past were animists or polytheists or a combination of both. Monotheism back then was rather rare, and only started to emerge long after polytheism and animism had already been existing for millennia. The concept of the one God is rather new. And, by the way, millions of people can indeed be wrong, just as millions of people were wrong about the earth being flat.

You also mention how you are all about positivity, and love, and acceptance. Well, maybe. I don't really know. And I don't think it matters if I don't really know, right?

As for values, anyone can have them. Even Hitler had values.

I say, don't just blindly trust people even if they happen to share the same flesh and blood as you.

If you have kids, don't dote on one of them and forget the others exist. You'll just end up with a bunch of sociopaths later in life.

If you think you've found the truth, think again. Cause truth might not even exist.

Stop loving for the sake of loving, and start having good reasons to love someone, because that's when you truly love that person.

[mona]

samboy

You just proved my point.. How could millions of people be wrong regarding the existence of God? Like I said before, it's incredibly peculiar that science has yet to show proof on how our world was formed and how we were formed and if there is a God. Where there is doubt there is a possibility the theory could be true. Unfortunately for you, history and mythology support my theory. The belief in a god has always been present, whether it was a belief in many gods or in ONE God. The belief in a God has always been a constant. Even now it is, as you sit here thinking there is No God since I believe there is one. It has always and forever been a constant.

@@side Note@@
Loving people is something that doesn't and should Never need a reason! This type of thinking is why so many homeless, poor, displaced, hungry, sick people are suffering. It's sad that people have hardened their emotions and hearts and have wanted to have a "reason" to love others. Loving people isn't easy, I know. That's why it's so hard to love or show love to a stranger. But that doesn't mean we should need a reason or an invitation to love/help our fellow man.
Of course we should always use caution and common sense when dealing with people. Yet the last thing people need to hear is that they need to have a reason to love others. That's just plain ignorant, negative and is a very selfish way of operating. The FBO community should be all about sharing, love, healing, hope and support. If we were all the opposite of that this, the site would not exist and no cures/stories would be posted. And you would have nowhere to post samboy. Remember that this site was created to help people. In a sense it was an act of compassion and love and positivity and wanting to find a cure that started this site. Not a reason. The type of thinking you described is very backwards and stops progress. If we all did what you described, I doubt any of us would ever find any support or cures.

I'm sorry samboy, but everything you mentioned seems negative and is especially TOXIC thinking to the Fbo community because we already have so much negativity caused by this illness. We endure COMMENTS, dirty looks, discrimination, mistreatment and all sorts of things and your advice is "don't love people without having a reason".. As if that is going to make our world and realities and situations better.

I don't know where you are from but let me tell you; when someone needs ur help and you are there for them, they won't judge you on the smell. The person will simply remember that you were supportive, caring, kind, and if you are positive in your attitude they will recall that and smile.

The Last thing the Fbo community needs is to be told there is no God and to not love people without having a reason. Just because we experience negativity doesn't mean we should dish out the same attitude and need reasons to love people. We need to encourage others, believe in humanity, put the pain and past behind us and move forward.

Remember that...

"INSANITY Is doing the same thing and expecting different results"

This idea can be applied to the Fbo community concerning the above.. Which is.. Just because people don't show us love/compassion and just because OTHERS seem to need a reason to love us and won't love us if they can't find one, doesn't mean that we should do the same as them and still expect good results in our lives. Cause it doesn't work. Ask anyone who's ever gone down that road or is on it now like you are. Their lives are not all they could be because they have closed themselves off to love. Understand that to be loved you must love.

"it's better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all"

The thing I see with a lot of men who have FBO is that they have very STRONG and negative under tones with/about everything/anything. I'm sorry to touch on this subject but is it because you don't have a gf? Or maybe u are divorced or in a loveless marriage or you have never had a relationship?

A lot of men get incredibly bitter and unhappy when a gf is missing from the equation or they have been rejected by the opposite sex in anyway, and become very cynical about everything.

I feel like you had belief in a God at some point but you had an event occur that shook your faith and made you look elsewhere for answers. You realized nothing really filled the void you were feeling and with out a partner or anyone to really show you any love you fell into atheism; and since men are rarely pitied or given any sympathy you opted for this cynical no non sense approach to life to protect yourself from rejection and pain. But you have found that things still don't make sense and you still don't have all the answers you need.

samboy, are you happy? I Am. And I know God is real because I can feel his presence. I have a peace and a joy that no one can remove, not even people like you who hunt down believers through the forum or people who mistreat me over this smell. Can you say the same about Atheism? I have this feeling of peace all the time. Even when things are bad I have a sense of security. It's wonderful for sure. God doesn't care if I smell. He loves me just the same as anyone else. And that's amazing to me!

Look my dude. love is what you need. And you have to give it to receive it. Let love in! Why don't you Try something new like showing love/support to this community? I guarantee that act alone will ha e u feeling good about yourself.

Obviously doing what you have been doing isn't working out too well for you. If it where u wouldn't be so unsupportive

LET ME POINT OUT TO EVERYONE THAT samboy HAS ALREADY TRIED TO DISPUTE MY PERSONAL BELIEFS ON MORE THAT ONE POSTING.. HE'S BASICALLY HUNTING DOWN mine and others positive POSTS AND INJECTING HIS BITTER OPINIONS ON GOD INTO ALL THE POSTS MENTIONING GOD. TELL ME THAT ISN'T AN ATHEIST AGENDA AT WORK.

samboy I have love for you despite the drama you are causing and I pray the people of this forum look at the facts and evidence coupled with their own opinions and seek out truth and not take my word or yours for it. That they find out who God really is on their own.

samboy, practice acceptance.
And no I don't think you are the devil as you mentioned in a previous post.
Can I ask how an ATHEIST knows about the devil? Or faries? What country are you from? What was ur faith before atheism?
Please tell us about urself.
I notice you never answer any of my questions... Why is that? Are you afraid to tell us about ur life?

[samboy]

lol, oh wow, you certainly have me all figured out, don't you?

So let me see now:

According to you, I am not a devil but a negative and unhappy person void of love and empathy and in need of love and acceptance from other. Anything else you want to add?

I already answered your question about values and beliefs, so I'm not sure what else you want me to talk about. Maybe you want me to spill out my whole life story for you, I don't know. But I don't see the point in doing so on a public forum and with a stranger who has already chosen to view me in a negative light despite not knowing anything much about me.

Ah, no, millions of people can still be wrong. You're committing a logically fallacy there by appealing to the majority. As far as I can see, when it comes to attaining knowledge about the world, the only consensus I can trust with some degree of confidence is the scientific consensus, and even that has its flaws.

Is the earth still flat, mona?

Also, you need to reread what I said about loving someone for a good reason because I certainly was not advocating hatred but rather to undermine that notion of fake "love" that many people cling to despite it just being words you like to say. For example, you supposedly "loving" me is not true love. You're just saying that because you feel you have to say it.

I'm not an unloving person, but I'm a realist. I love most of my family and have a few good friends, and I'm in a relationship with a beautiful person who happened to be a member of the older forum. And I'm currently on a path to great success in life. So ... sorry to disappoint you, but I'm happy. Hopefully, you are as well.

[mona]

samboy
Why are you so unwilling to open up and tell us your story?
Seems like I hit a nerve :-)

And yes I have u pretty well figured out. As I had predicted, you are unwilling to share anything about yourself because you are obviously hiding something. Most likely hiding that you aren't happy. If you were you would be accepting of others.

And I do have love for you samboy. That's just how easy it is for me to care about people. Of course everyone is different....

[mona]

samboy, you asked if the world was flat? No. We also used to think the earth was the center of the universe. I get your point; science has contributed a lot, blah blah Yada Yada.

That's the same song and dance all the scientists have been cramming down our throats for decades. And they day Christians and Jehovahs witnesses are bad.

So no the world isn't flat. But your mind is, as in you are not open minded At ALL for someone who thinks there is no God (and lemme guess, you probably also think we evolved from monkeys?)

I would like for you to...

1) Tell us who you are, where you come from, tell us your story.

2) Explain How you came to being an atheist

3) give us proof or clear/valid reasons why you believe there is no God.

If you can't fulfill all 3 requirements, then you sir, might be what we call a TROLL

Are you a troll? I think yes.

[samboy]

I'm open-minded to the evidence. Do you have evidence God exists? I have yet to see anyone bring forth that evidence. That answers your request #3. As for the first two, I refuse to answer them as I'm not interested in sharing more of my life at the time being. That's personal.

No, we didn't evolve from monkeys. We evolved from ancient apes. We have cousins, called the chimpanzees, that share the same ancestors we do. Let me know if you want more explanation. Happy to talk about it.

[mona]

Sorry everyone for being gone all weekend. My hubs didn't work this weekend so We stayed in and watched movies, ordered take out, spent time with our pets, and did some shopping... Supppppper relaxing :-)

NOW back to the "samboy drama" :
So there you have it ladies and gentleman of the FBO community...

samboy is a BOT or a TROLL .... which is why he wont share anything about him/herself

I REALLY HAVE TO STRESS to everyone on the FBO community to PLEASE PLEASEEEEE be VIGILANT and careful about who you speak to online. There are people like samboy who make it their personal agenda/life's mission to come on these type of boards/forums and spread their sticky web of lies and negative venom to any who will lend an ear or an eye.

PLEASE TRY THINGS OUT FOR YOURSELF. BE POSITIVE, STAY POSITIVE. SMILE, and DISCOURAGE negativity and NEGATIVE PEOPLE.

-Mona

[samboy]

That wasn't very nice of you, mona. I could play this game of suspecting you're a Jehovah's Witness trying to convert people to that group (after all, you did mention them for some reason) and warning everyone here about you. But you know that would be offensive.

Throughout this whole exchange, I have tried to show you nothing but respect for you as a person despite my disagreement with your beliefs.

I do agree with you that people should be careful about whom they associate with. But I think that should apply to all of us, not just me.

[mona]

samboy sorry if I offended you.

Anyways, I will be praying for all the Fbo community, especially you Samboy. Praying that we all find a solution to this and through this become better than we were.

I hope your day was good today and remember everyone, be positive :-)

GOD BLESS you All :-D

[samboy]

All good, mona. I'm all for positivity, by the way. Questioning faith is neither negative nor unhealthy. But I guess one still has to be cautious while doing so ...

Lesson learned.