Essential Fatty Acids

[malory]

My chiropractor was alarmed when I told him that my faeces, when not green from chlorophyll supplements, are very pale. He warned me that I must be short in EFAs as, before doing the restrictive TMAU diet, I was a vegetarian for 26 years. He gave me an info leaflet which said:
"Dietary sufficiency of Omega-3 fatty acids like flaxseed do NOT contain EPA or DHA. Furthermore, research indicates humans cannot convert vegetable sources to EPA and DHA sufficiently. EPA/DHA Omega-3 fatty acids are essential for the proper function of every cell, tissue, organ... your brain and body cannot make EPA/DHA Omega-3 fatty acids so they must be consumed in the diet."

I used to give my daughter Eye-Q omega 3 and 6 fish oil which is known to help combat ADHD in children. Eye-Q oil has also been recommended for children with autism. There is a link between TMAU and autism. Autistic children are more likely to develop TMAU than other children, I believe.

So, is there a link between metabolic disorders and inadequate intake of essential fatty acids?
My chiropractor urged me to take EFAs regardless of the TMAU dietary restrictions. Is anyone taking flaxseed oil/hemp? Is anyone taking fish oil?

[snowflake]

Hi, interesting post. I am taking - 2 Tbsp. freshly ground up flaxseed with cottage cheese every second day. I am not eating fishes or fish oil at all because of my TMAU diet.

[jcc34]

Hi Malory

I think fish oil is the one supplement that nutritionists generally say everybody should take (with probably a multivitamin). I take loads of it, like 30g daily. I think EFAs are very important and people with certain health conditions (like allergies, inflammatory conditions and probably also digestive disorders like dysbiosis) require a higher amount than other people. This is because EFAs are supposed to counterbalance the levels of inflammatory chemicals in your body.

Eye Q is probably a good quality product, however I don't think it's very good value as it actually doesn't contain a particularly high dose of EFA in each capsules when I checked last. I'd recommend taking fish oil and it should be good for your overall health, however I wouldn't expect any tangible improvement to odour. However you never know.

[jcc34]

That said, you'd have to consider that you'd probably be taking choline with fish oil. Otherwise you'd have to stick to flax seed, flax oil, hemp oil, seeds and nuts. Plus Biocare have a vegetarian EFA product.

[malory]

thanks jcc34 and Snowflake for your info.

I've got some hemp seed oil but I'm quite scared to take it! But then again, I don't know if my odour could get any worse.

Snowflake, how is your odour when you take the hemp seed oil with the cottage cheese? I'm so glad you manage to stay healthy on this crazy low choline diet.

jcc - very interesting that you actually take fish oil. I will try it maybe over the xmas holidays when I'm off work.

[mpdela]

Hi malory and jcc34,

This is a very interesting thread. Definitely we need to focus on the fats we consume or don't consume. Omega 3s are a dilemma to be analyzed by persons who do have TMAU. Granted, fish oil is a great source of Omega 3, but also a source of body odor for people with TMAU. I would rather enjoy eating fresh fish if the consequence would be the same.

I don't know what to tell you, malory, about what would be a great source of omega 3s. I would really love to hear what works for some people. James, you always have valuable information.

We hear so much about choline and TMAU all the time, that we are failing to discuss other sources of body odor, like short chain fatty acids (SCFAs). These are important considerations to have whether a body odor sufferer has TMAU or not. In an interview we did with Metametrix, we asked about fecal smells (not necessarily related to TMAU), and this is what she said.

Q: What causes fecal smells? (i.e. what does feces actually smell of and why)

A: The smell of feces comes from short chain fatty acids (SCFAs) and bacteria like E. coli. All the SCFAs have strong smells. Butyric acid is an SCFA and it smells like feces and even like body odor. E .coli has more of a mousy odor.

I don't believe that Omega3 fats fall under the category of short-chain fatty acids. I looked up which are the sub-groups of fatty acids and this is the list I found in Wikipedia:

Acetic acid
Propionic acid
Isobutyric acid (2-methylpropanoic acid)
Butyric acid
Isovaleric acid (3-methylbutanoic acid)
Valeric acid (pentanoic acid)
Caproic acid (hexanoic acid)*

Note: all of these are to be avoided if you have an odor condition.

What I use for my family is Canola Oil. I use it to cook breaded chicken breast. I dip the chicken breast in egg whites (without the yolk) for the bread crumbs to stick to it and fry it in canola oil. Here's an online post on 'The benefits of Canola Oil Omega 3.'

Also, even though olive oil doesn't contain lots of Omega3, it is the other type of oil I use, and it does not produce odor. It is actually good for you and protects against heart disease by controlling LDL ("bad") cholesterol levels while raising HDL (the "good"cholesterol) levels. It is a monounsaturated fatty acid with high antioxidative substances.

Here's an article that present a study that showed that rats that received olive oil had colon cancer rates almost as low as those fed fish oil. It states that, "several studies have already linked [olive oil] to a reduction in colon cancer risk."

If anyone else knows of a good source of omega 3 oils that does not produce body odor, please let us know.

By the way, here's a chart of the Chemical Composition of Odors. It states the chemical, the type of odor it emits, and its origin.
María

[snowflake]

Hi Malory,
I am not taking hemp seed only flax seed, my odour doesn´t change while taking it.

[healinghappens]

Have any of you tried chia seeds? They are supposed to be tasteless and odorless, but I don't know how odor sufferers would react to it. It's supposed to be very high in Omega 3. I've wanted to try, but they are expensive here in Australia.

Maria - good to see you back. Thinking of you. THANKS for sharing that list of chemical composition of odors. I need to spend more time on the mebo site seeing what I can learn!!

[Guest Maria]

Hi healinghappens,

This is Maria. I gave up trying to login to this site and am writing as a guest. I don't know if others are experiencing the same difficulty.

Sorry that I haven't written here for a while, but I seem to have to login numerous times and read various advertisements and acknowledge the vendors names before the site recognizes my password (if it does recognize me) that I use all the time. So, I just give up and go on to work on answering my emails (you can always reach me there) or working on providing kits for sufferers to do their TMAU test or other MEBO stuff. I simply can't seem to sign in to this site without tremendous difficulty now. I don't think I'll be posting in this site anymore.

Thanks for your well wishes. Hope you are well too.

María

[mpdela]

Well, finally, I was able to log in. I think this site gets stuck or something. I suppose I'll be able to post here only whenever I get to login. Sorry it's getting so difficult now. Talk soon.

María

[Arun Nagrath]

Hi Maria, long time, no see.
I wondered where you had disappeared. Is it true you had a death in the family? If so, sorry to hear that. I hope it wasn't a close family member.

My mum and dad have just turned 80 now and I sometimes wonder how lost I would feel if my mum died.

Sorry to hear that you have been having login difficulty on this site. One of the main reasons I opened this site is that too many members had complained to me that they were having login difficulty on the old site!

Other reasons for the move were the huge spam (20-30 messages per day) that plagues VBulletin and thankfully there has been very little spam on this site so far.

So far, I have only had 3 reports of login issues on this site compared to 30-50 reports on the old site. I am naturally concerned that this login issue might be bigger than has been reported to me.

Is anyone else experiencing this problem? Snowflake, I notice you have signed in as a Guest. Is this because you have had problems similar to Maria? If so, did you experience any problems signing in as a Guest? Please elaborate.

Maria, did you experience any problems posting as a Guest? I am puzzled by something you wrote:-

I suppose I'll be able to post here only whenever I get to login.

That's not true. The default setting on this site allows ANYONE to post as a Guest! I believe this is easy and does not require a password? Please correct me if I am wrong. Maria, Snowflake, what happens when you post as Guests? Do you see adverts or experience difficulty posting?

From time to time, browsers get corrupted so that login becomes a problem on certain sites. Over 90% of these problems are solved by deleting your Browser's Cookies. Have either of you tried this? It's really very easy. Have a look at this link:-

www.aboutcookies.org/Default.aspx?page=2

Guys, please can you post your replies about 'Login problems' on the new thread which I have created specially (since the topic of the current thread is Essential Fatty Acids).

[snowflake]

Hi Arun,
Yes, I have had similar problem with signing in as Maria, but with signing in as a Guest I have no problem at all. Signing in as a Guest doesn´t require a password and I have no difficulty with that at all. In Maria´s case it´s maybe different, I don´t know.

[Arun Nagrath]

Snowflake,
I am transferring your reply to the following thread which I have created specially for this subject. It is called:-

"Post here if you have had problems posting!" and it can be found on the following link:-

breathandbodyodour.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=249

[jcc34]

Hi Maria, welcome back online and sorry to hear about your bad news.

In my post I said I have 30g of fish oil daily, that should have been 3g but sometimes more. I don't believe I have any problem processing TMA, hence I don't worry about choline and have never called my problem TMAU.

I think EPA and DHA are the best form of omega 3 fatty acids and as far as I know these are only in seafood. Some seeds contain omega 3 in a form that is converted less efficiently, I believe flax seed / oil is the best for this. Flax seed is best ground otherwise not digested well. I can see the logic for those intolerant to choline to have occasional fish for omega 3 (should be oily like fresh tuna or mackerel) as this would be most enjoyable and nutrititious. One possible point in favour of fish oil supplements is they might be digested quicker and therefore harder for choline eating bacteria to act on.

[mpdela]

Hi Arun,

Thanks for your condolences. Yes, it was my uncle, who had been very loving and close to me as I was growing up. People who gave so much love and support as one was growing up are greatly missed. My parents are ill with serious illnesses, but they're hanging in there.

Regarding signing in, I mostly have problems when I login with my username, although right now, I just loggedin on the first try. Last night, I was having problems logging in as a guest, though, and that's probably why I was so frustrated and discouraged. We have been having pre-tropical storms in Miami for over 2 weeks, though this weekend was relatively nice. Most of our communications cables in my area are underground, and when the ground is so drenched, it seems to affect our internet connection. I don't know if this has been the case, but today is a bright sunny Florida day, and my computer is flying fast. Who knows. I'm glad to be able to connect well today.

Jcc, thanks you for your advice. I have found that what you are saying is so true. Even people who do suffer from body odor need to eat fish from time to time, as well as the roughage from cruciferous vegetables. With all the stress of a death and illnesses in the family, my IBS has flared up again. I've been having lower abdominal pain and constipation. So this weekend at the beach my husband and I went to the Outback restaurant and I had 2 portions of vegetables, including alot of broccoli. I had a Prime Rib too, and I must confess, I gave in to temptation and ate a Bloomin Onion... Well, my body needed it, because it has helped me move my bowels, though my abdominal pain is still kicking. Needless to say, my odor is singing high soprano today since last night. Thank God I'm not going anywhere today.

My older son told me he had eaten fish last week. It's like our bodies cries out to us to eat these healthy foods from time to time. If we listen to our bodies, it will "talk" to us. He said he believes that if after he eats the fish he goes to the gym to sweat it out with cardiovascular exercise and drinks alot of water and goes back to his low choline diet, the odor is controlled. I agree. I have been going to the gym to do intense cardiovascular exercise myself, and it definitely makes a difference.

I suppose there are essential food that need to be consumed to stay healthy. We can't just eliminate them completely and expect to stay healthy.

Thanks for your advice Jcc on the best source of Omega3s, EPA and DHA. I'm glad it's fish because I LOVE FISH, especially when I go to Miami Beach and it is fresh from the day's catch. Now, I won't feel so guilty when I have it. I suppose I'll be safe having it once or twice a month??? I'll play it by ear.

María